that 13-14 dollar discount is very hard to ignore and I have a hard time believing Oct hogs and cash won't meet at least half way but the board may want to wallow at the bottom awhile longer to see how many hedgers it can fearfully tease into selling at the low end. I still have a few guys still at the panic level but at least those lines aren't as long and loud as they were 3 weeks ago. If I'm wrong-----it will cost me dearly.