hog prices usually start working higher for a 30-35 dollar move up off the fall low going into the May timeframe. By mid Nov-Dec 1, the fall low is usually in place, so it should be safe to assume that the low is in. We also have a $10 start on that $30 up move but there is still 5 months until it reaches its potential Spring High. At any point in time we can expect and usually get some sort of retest of either the fall low or a retest of the first impulse wave up off the bottom(that is currently being worked on) if nothing else the March washout should give an opportunity for the bears to feel useful again.